SC kits and Prices for you guys!!

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

Hey Guy's, I've been getting tons of pm's from you guys about SC kits andquestions, So I thought I would post this thing up so that you are informed of everything that Vortech and Procharger has to offer.

These are pricing for kits for the 88-92 5.0-5.7L F body, Camaro/Trans-am/Firebird

VORTECH Superchargers
Supercharging System with V-2 SQ for 1988-1992 GM 5.0 & 5.7 TPI F-Body


Adds 95 horsepower (5.7)
Adds 85 ft/lbs of torque (5.7)
6-8 PSIG
Includes SQ S-Trim supercharger
Satin (060SQ) or Polish (068SQ) finish
$4300 satin finish
$4600 Polished finish
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/products/yourcar/88-92fbody.html

PROCHARER
1988-92 Camaro / Firebird
Description HP Gain Intercooler
9,12 psi w/ P600B or P-1SC 60-80% 2 Core
15-20 psi w/ D-1 or D-1SC 65%+ 3 Core

your cost: regular retail:
P600B - $4600 $5064
P1SC - $5000 $5400
D1 - $5600 $5000
D1SC - $5750 $6234

Polished finish upgrades:
head unit only: $250
brackets/intake tube: $180


Pricharger kits are allways about a 2.5-3 week away
Vortech kits are here within a week.

I'll post up more on other kits too for later models and carb'd kits too! I thought i would just throw this up for now since 90% of the people on here have 88-92's

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

I see there are views on this topic, but no questions?? lol!
you guys kill me.
I'm suprised there havent been any replies about anything!
Any concerns, go ahead and post it or PM me or E-mail or phone, wahtever you want!

[POS 1984Z28]

any deals on magna chargers? specifically carburated SBC

[steve86]

could you tell us the differences between
P600B
P1SC
D1
D1SC

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

P600B* *- Smaller housing, impeller size is smaller, max boost 12psi * * * * * * * * *

P1SC* - larger housing that P600, larger impeller, capable of max 15psi* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

D1* * * - Smaller housing, smaller impeller, max boost 20psi * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

D1SC - larger housing, larger impeller, capable of max 25psi


Its like with Vortech, The T-trim is bigger than the S-trim, S-trim is the same size as the SC-trim, everything is rated for higher turning speeds than the SC-trim though, so it can withstand more boost, and put more out from the box.


As for the Magna Charger, I'll do a write up on them in a couple minutes. I'll just do a bit of research on them first, its a fairly new line for us so I dont know too much.

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

MagnaCharger

Projected performance numbers: Fuel Injected: 470HP and 500 ft-lbs of torque. *Carbureted: 455HP, 492 ft-lbs. of torque. *As tested on a 333hp/350 cubic inch Chevrolet crate engine (NOTE: Please read important disclaimer)

• Carbureted and fuel injected small block Chevy engines.

• Top inlet 5th Gen "hybrid" roots style supercharger systems - designed to provide more horsepower per pound of boost than any other system on the market today.

• Cast aluminum intake manifold with integral intercooler available.

• "Internal bypass valve" virtually eliminates parasitic loss...and delivers a proven 30 to 60% increase in real world "under the curve" power. Best of all, it costs less than 1/3 of a horse at 60 mph. Now that's real efficiency.

• Made with EATON components. EATON is the world's largest manufacturer of OEM superchargers...when combined, the proven dependability of the EATON rotating assemblies, and the performance driven Magnuson engineering creates a remarkable performance "awakening" with incredible responsiveness and drivability. A fuel injection model is also available.

• Fuel system accommodates virtually any 4-barrel carburetor with a standard Holley foot print. Recommended air intake should be in the 650 to 850 CFM range. An optional adapter for dual Stromberg 97 carburetors is available.

• Std. 1-year limited warranty

http://magnacharger.com/images/lowres/Gen%201%20Classic%20Small%20Block%20Chevy/GN11C_0547.gif


They havent sent me a price guide yet, so I'm not sure on pricing just yet, but I will try to get in contact with them and get some prices.

[Draco]

P600B* *- Smaller housing, impeller size is smaller, max boost 12psi * * * * * * * * *

P1SC* - larger housing that P600, larger impeller, capable of max 15psi* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

D1* * * - Smaller housing, smaller impeller, max boost 20psi * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

D1SC* *- larger housing, larger impeller, capable of max 25psi


Its like with Vortech, The T-trim is bigger than the S-trim, S-trim is the same size as the SC-trim, everything is rated for higher turning speeds than the SC-trim though, so it can withstand more boost, and put more out from the box.


As for the Magna Charger, I'll do a write up on them in a couple minutes. I'll just do a bit of research on them first, its a fairly new line for us so I dont know too much.


Maybe I am misreading, but some of the info above seems a little out of whack.

The SC in the ATI P1SC and D1SC stands for 'Self-contained' - i.e. no oiling from the engine. Not sure why you try to make a comparison with Vortech, where the SC-trim has no such meaning.

Vortech SC-trim compressors are not self-contained (all Vortech head units require oiling from the engine). Also the SC-trim is rated at higher RPMs then the S-trim so not sure why you say the opposite.

i'm also confused as to why you say that the housings, impellars and boost are different for the D1 and D1SC. The ATI website lists them both as having the same CFM and boost capabilities. They also list all housing dimensions (volute, outlet, inlet, inducer, exducer) as identical. In fact, the D1 is rated at a higher RPM thanks to its higher step-up-ratio, which should give it a very slight advantage.

http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

P600B* *- Smaller housing, impeller size is smaller, max boost 12psi * * * * * * * * *

P1SC* - larger housing that P600, larger impeller, capable of max 15psi* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

D1* * * - Smaller housing, smaller impeller, max boost 20psi * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

D1SC* *- larger housing, larger impeller, capable of max 25psi


Its like with Vortech, The T-trim is bigger than the S-trim, S-trim is the same size as the SC-trim, everything is rated for higher turning speeds than the SC-trim though, so it can withstand more boost, and put more out from the box.


As for the Magna Charger, I'll do a write up on them in a couple minutes. I'll just do a bit of research on them first, its a fairly new line for us so I dont know too much.


Maybe I am misreading, but some of the info above seems a little out of whack.*

The SC in the ATI P1SC and D1SC stands for 'Self-contained' - i.e. no oiling from the engine.* Not sure why you try to make a comparison with Vortech, where the SC-trim has no such meaning.

Vortech SC-trim compressors are not self-contained (all Vortech head units require oiling from the engine). Also the SC-trim is rated at higher RPMs then the S-trim so not sure why you say the opposite.

i'm also confused as to why you say that the housings, impellars and boost are different for the D1 and D1SC.* The ATI website lists them both as having the same CFM and boost capabilities.* They also list all housing dimensions (volute, outlet, inlet, inducer, exducer) as identical.* In fact, the D1 is rated at a higher RPM thanks to its higher step-up-ratio, which should give it a very slight advantage.

http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml



great link, had no idea that one exists. Procharger is very un-helpful in ways of information and customer service.

Your right about the Self Contained. I forgot to mention that part.
Its got its benefits I guess..
Vortech aftecooled kits come with a air-to-water intercooler which is allways circulating just like another radiator.
Procharger comes with an air-to-air cooler, which in turn for that to be cooling anything, you need to be moving or spraying nitrous on it to keep it cool constantly.. Kind of redundant for the street.

The SC-Trim from vortech is just a renamed A-trim
and your right, I had it mixed up that it can spin higher than the S-trim, but cant quite put out as much psi.


Self containted units are decent because if you have anything thats going to fire into your oil pan because something breaks, you wont ahve to worry, theres no feed to the head unit.
But a downer is, the oil gets hot and thinned out quick, so you'll lose a bit there, and the oil is expensive.

When you have an item like Vortech, where theres a line tapped into the pan, You'll run the risk of getting metal filings into your line to the blower or a chunk of something. But who said you have to tap into the pan????
You dont. I have talked to Vortech tech's about this many times. Just as long as you have a place where it can get sufficient oil from is fine. If your timing chain area throws up a good ammount of oil where its going to be enough for a tiny nozzle, go ahead and use that, there have ben a couple people that have recently! no problems with blower lubrication there.
Also if you keep mantainance on your car, like changing your oil when you should be, and not honkin on it and breaking shit, then whats there to worry about tapping into the pan?
plus you dont have to pay for a different kind of oil for the blower itself. And the oil stays a bit cooler down there!


advantages and disadvantages for both.

[89vert]

I got a P600B kit on a 95 LT1,

great power adder :)

[drumhawk]

Quote up a price on a LS2 Procharger but I'm not gonna need the one with super high boost, apparently C6's get 600hp running at 6psi.

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

send me a PM and i'll give u a price

[sleepybu]

MagnaCharger



http://magnacharger.com/images/lowres/Gen%201%20Classic%20Small%20Block%20Chevy/GN11C_0547.gif





got a price on that one yet :noes:

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

waiting on prices right now, We just got the exclusive rights for all of Canada on Magnacharger

[drumhawk]

MagnaCharger



http://magnacharger.com/images/lowres/Gen%201%20Classic%20Small%20Block%20Chevy/GN11C_0547.gif





got a price on that one yet :noes:
C6 guys like the maggie too but you have to upgrade to a sweet RK hood, polished maggie for a C6 list at 7200 US but I saw one sell recently on ebay for 5000, maggie's in general cost a bit more than a ATI Procharger but appparently give more power down low plus they look awesome on top. Fbod chargers are cheaper but you wont save any cash going with the magnuson.

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

all the roots style SC's will generate more torque down low than a centrifugal.

Centrifugals (Procharger, Paxton, Vortech, Rotrex...) are built to make power from 3200rpm and up, thats why alot of people swap gears when they chuck on a charger like that, so then your right up in the powerband right away.

Roots style superchargers will generate power down low because they are allways working, right from idle they are compressing air. Its the design of the "Twin Screw" or "Compressor" so they are great for down low power and torque, but up high they lose a little bit, but will still pull better than a centrifugal system, But they are generally more money.

[travinder69]

could you tell us the differences between
P600B
P1SC
D1
D1SC

ok so u are saying i can get 95 hp @ 8 psi so what bout at 25psi in the 200hp ???? ??? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[79 Z28]

it all depends on motor capability and parts. the most ive ever seen is a turbo 8psi stock 3.4L basically makin mid 300rwhp

[travinder69]

it all depends on motor capability and parts. the most ive ever seen is a turbo 8psi stock 3.4L basically makin mid 300rwhp

lets say on a 5.7 then would u get the 25lb boost and 200 hp?

[79 Z28]

it all depends on motor capability and parts. the most ive ever seen is a turbo 8psi stock 3.4L basically makin mid 300rwhp

lets say on a 5.7 then would u get the 25lb boost and 200 hp?

25psi wont happen on any stock bottom end motor, unless you like messes lol 25lbs on a stock motor lt1 or ls1 that can take it would prolly make 600-700hp lol

[travinder69]

it all depends on motor capability and parts. the most ive ever seen is a turbo 8psi stock 3.4L basically makin mid 300rwhp

lets say on a 5.7 then would u get the 25lb boost and 200 hp?

25psi wont happen on any stock bottom end motor, unless you like messes lol 25lbs on a stock motor lt1 or ls1 that can take it would prolly make 600-700hp lol

i see now so 8 is the norm and only blocks built for it can handle 25lb boost

[79 Z28]

it all depends on motor capability and parts. the most ive ever seen is a turbo 8psi stock 3.4L basically makin mid 300rwhp

lets say on a 5.7 then would u get the 25lb boost and 200 hp?

25psi wont happen on any stock bottom end motor, unless you like messes lol 25lbs on a stock motor lt1 or ls1 that can take it would prolly make 600-700hp lol

i see now so 8 is the norm and only blocks built for it can handle 25lb boost

25 lbs is alot, you need forged components, unrestrictive flowing heads, intake and exhaust. along with a beefy fuel system and a rotating assembly that can take the hp

[sleepybu]

MagnaCharger



http://magnacharger.com/images/lowres/Gen%201%20Classic%20Small%20Block%20Chevy/GN11C_0547.gif







got a price on that one yet :noes:


what century are getting a price for this system :P

[79 Z28]

pm him. they have been closed this past week

[maverick]

Is there a reason why vortech supercharger kits are made only for 88-92 5.0&5.7 tpi equipped , and not the 1987 5.7 tpi.??

[Jessev]

MAF/MAP? i think that was later on though. i have no idea, they are the same to my knowledge

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

the 87 i'm told is V-belt, not serpentine.

differences were..

87 was mass air equipped, but v-belt
88 speed density, but its serpentine.

But if you want to throw a charger on a 87, just change the pulley set up, and change it to speed density, or get a custom burnt chip OR dyno tune it. lol

[90_IROC]

im not 100% sure on the vbelt issue, but all camaros were MAF until 89, 1990 was the first year for speed density, so that shouldnt be the problem.

if it turns out that it is in fact a differnt belt set up, just buy a complete serp system, they can be had for fairly cheap from wut i have seen.

[79 Z28]

im not 100% sure on the vbelt issue, but all camaros were MAF until 89, 1990 was the first year for speed density, so that shouldnt be the problem.

if it turns out that it is in fact a differnt belt set up, just buy a complete serp system, they can be had for fairly cheap from wut i have seen.
its the belts, and make sig pic smaller man lol

[90_IROC]

im not 100% sure on the vbelt issue, but all camaros were MAF until 89, 1990 was the first year for speed density, so that shouldnt be the problem.

if it turns out that it is in fact a differnt belt set up, just buy a complete serp system, they can be had for fairly cheap from wut i have seen.
its the belts, and make sig pic smaller man lol


hahaha, i just finished uploading, and just seeing it for the first time lol.... ill get right on it :rofl:

[90_IROC]

hows that? :D

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

im not 100% sure on the vbelt issue, but all camaros were MAF until 89, 1990 was the first year for speed density, so that shouldnt be the problem.

if it turns out that it is in fact a differnt belt set up, just buy a complete serp system, they can be had for fairly cheap from wut i have seen.


yeah you are right, in Canadian terms, I was givin this info from Vortech directly, so I guesse they swapped to speed density one year ahead of us? Kind of like the mustang got mass air in 88 in the states, we got it in 89.
Must be something to do with emmissions.

So yeah, maybe just change the belt set up?

[Jessev]

87 was half serp half v-belt sorta deal

[79 Z28]

its a shut up, camaros suck sort of deal

[SkyGuy@BishopSales]

lol.

regardless if its half serp half v, you will need to change the pulleys to complete serp in order to accomadate the supercharger. They dont make a S/C kit that runs on V-belt unless its a McCulloch blower from the 50's-70's.