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skidmark
10-04-2008, 05:02 PM
"Professional Courtesy" is common to the medical profession where que jumping is effected for medical appointments, etc., for medical professionals. Please comment on an equivalent courtesy which may be offered by law enforcement agencies for non criminal offences such as speeding or minor traffic infractions of firemen, armed forces personnel and others. Would you recommend that the many who feel entitled to speed should get one of those "Fireman" license frames?

It happens. To say anything else would be to deny reality. Does it happen as often and for as many things as the public may think? Probably not. Can it be stopped? No. Should it be stopped? No again. Why not?

One might think that traffic law enforcement is black and white. You break the rule, you receive a ticket. If that were the case, we would all deserve a ticket within a very short while. Thankfully, our legal system allows an officer to exercise discretion to charge or not to charge and to participate in diversion or an alternative resolution system to deal with offenders.

If the public expected every traffic violation by an officer to be dealt with by ticket, then they could only expect to have the same treatment applied to them. I think that most people would find this solution unpalatable and are, for the most part, happy with the system the way it is now.

However, as with anything else, it is a matter of degree. While I had no problem shaking my finger at a fellow officer for a few km/h above the posted limit and sending them on their way I would never have considered ignoring an impaired driver or being less than impartial in the investigation of a collision. Yes, I have issued a ticket to someone I knew was a police officer, fireman, paramedic, doctor, judge or politician. I have also failed to ticket those who couldn't afford it, didn't understand or chose to take driver training in exchange.

The yardstick I used was whether I could live with the decision I made if it were held up to public scrutiny and I honestly believe that the dedicated people I worked with during my career behaved in the same manner.

Reference Links (http://www.drivesmartbc.ca/viewpoint/professional-courtesy)

steveo
10-05-2008, 10:59 AM
it's true, the 'human factor' is a necessary component in law enforcement

but there is a difference between feeling sorry for someone, or taking all factors into consideration, or saying.. you know what, he was speeding, but everyone speeds on this road, and he wasn't being excessive or unsafe.. and bending the law a little bit, which is great

...and making it personal

it's well known that cops will ticket more aggressively when they're having a bad day, having problems at home, problems with work, etc

it's also well known that most cops aren't going to give your 'buddy that brings you your coffee in the morning' a ticket for even a really stupid traffic maneuver that could possibly endanger lives, or 'some girl you had a really nice conversation in a bar with last night' is probably going to skip the ticket too.

i consider abusing discretion by entering personal factors into your professional decisions *completely* unacceptable.

this doesn't throw the 'human factor' out the window at all

SkullcrusherR7U
10-05-2008, 01:53 PM
If your'e friendly to the cop, more than likely he will go easier on you. People who get arrogant and lippy almost always dig thier holes deeper. Up here the court is backed up 3yrs. I got a ticket for 92 in 80 zone back in May. My court date is in July 2011. The cop who ticketed me won't even live here then so it will get thrown out.

iroc22
10-05-2008, 03:43 PM
I believe everyone should be treated equally, and my opinion is EVERYONE who breaks the written rules of the law should be penalized. I know I have never gotten a break from an officer, even though I am extremely respectable and polite to them every single time. Personally I think it's BS that people get off when they perform illegal activities on the road, the rules are there for a reason. It should not be up to discretion of the police officer whether or not to ticket.

Frosted_Monster
10-05-2008, 08:59 PM
cops are hypocrites they can speed but yet we can't

and having a stupid fucking N on the back of your car is just a target for them its bs that ppl have to have N's on the back of their cars.

I also find it a little fucked up that my buddies Dad just got a ticket because his son my friend left his N on his dads truck and he gets a ticket because its on the truck and hes not a new driver but yet there are undercover cops on the road with N's and L's on the back of their cars/trucks .... hypocrites thats what they are

skidmark
10-05-2008, 09:59 PM
I also find it a little fucked up that my buddies Dad just got a ticket because his son my friend left his N on his dads truck and he gets a ticket because its on the truck and hes not a new driver but yet there are undercover cops on the road with N's and L's on the back of their cars/trucks .... hypocrites thats what they are

I would love to know what section your buddies dad was issued the ticket under....

SkullcrusherR7U
10-05-2008, 11:02 PM
Funny how everyone who has the N mounts it sideways to look like a Z in futile attempt to not be tagged as new driver. Can they get tickets for that? Actually they are just showing everyone that they aspire to drive a Z28. :rofl:

Frosted_Monster
10-06-2008, 04:23 AM
I would love to know what section your buddies dad was issued the ticket under....

speeding and i forget what they call it i'll have 2 ask jays dad ...

ShaneN.
10-06-2008, 09:56 AM
speeding and i forget what they call it i'll have 2 ask jays dad ...

Doesn't really matter.... there is so many bullshit broad categories to toss anything you do into one of them. "undue care" "excessive noise" "stunting"