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skidmark
04-05-2006, 08:58 PM
My girls attend high school and daily I watch as many of these students fill their cars with friends while displaying the "N". I spoke to my girls about this and they said that these young people just ignore that stipulation because no one checks and it is a nuisance being allowed to only carry one passenger. These youth aren't making the connections when they have the "N" designation as to what they are doing and the consequences there will be should they be involved in a collision.

Unfortunately, this reader is not telling me anything new, and it is not just the youth, it is the adults too. I stopped one lady who was driving with an "L", her husband and two children in car seats when her licence restrictions allowed her only one passenger. I was able to extend my vocabulary with some of the words that were directed at me after I served that ticket.

When graduated licencing debuted in BC, we took the view that there should be little leeway given to new drivers so that they would learn quickly that failing to follow the rules had significant consequences, which really meant loss of their licence for a period of time. We hoped that if they learned this at the start of their driving career perhaps less correction would be needed later on.

Whether this policing attitude was prevalent or not, it soon became apparent that the Superintendent was handing out a significant number of prohibitions. New drivers face licence sanctions when they receive 4 to 6 penalty points and a moving violation coupled with failing to display a new driver sign put them there with one traffic stop. This resulted in the creation of a charging section for failing to display the sign that carried no points. Failing to follow other restrictions still carries 3 points on conviction.

Is the system working? Maybe, but then there are crashes like the multiple fatality in Nanaimo last month. Had that driver followed the rules, perhaps there would have been fewer deaths, or even no collision as there would not have been an audience to perform for. Perhaps officers need to go back to issuing the 3 point ticket for all restriction violations and refusing to let the vehicle proceed until all is in order. Short term pain for long term gain.

Parents have the biggest stake in the solution. The police cannot set the attitude at home and it is their responsibility to see that young drivers follow all the rules. After all, they supply the permissions for both licences and vehicles until the youth reach age 18.

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383TA
04-05-2006, 09:28 PM
I thought that immediate family didn't count?

mousemaker
04-05-2006, 09:42 PM
Wasn't the driver in Nanaimo under the old N laws, therefore not restricted to one passenger?

Why were seatbelt tickets changed to now impose three points?

skidmark
04-05-2006, 10:44 PM
If there's been an announcement of points for seatbelt convictions, I've missed it....

mousemaker
04-05-2006, 11:05 PM
I thought it came in about a year ago?

Jessev
04-06-2006, 12:01 AM
45: 1 PASSENGER ONLY (IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS EXEMPT) UNLESS ACCOMPANIED BY QUALIFIED SUPERVISOR AGE 25+

whoo hoo i can read. fuckin stupidest laws in the world though. i don't know abt you guys but when im alone i drive a lot faster/more dangerously or w/e then if the cars packed full.

skidmark
04-06-2006, 07:20 AM
I thought it came in about a year ago?


I just checked my most up to date copy of the Regs and failing to wear a seatbelt does not appear with those offences the give points on conviction.

79 Z28
04-06-2006, 10:17 AM
honestly i think the graduated lisence program is no good. it doesnt solve the problem of novice driving risks, they need to attack the problem at the source and thats the skills and attitude of the driver. icbc and the government are backwards as usual. honestly the driving test is a joke and the training of the avg driver is also. the test doesnt determine at all if you are a good driver. lack of experience, lack of auto knowledge and simple physics coupled with bad habbits are the real cause of high risk driving.

i was lucky growing up i knew about cars and what they are capable of, my first car had 350hp. and i knew that pinning it in the rain around a corner will get me wrecked. i just wish more people knew more about vehicles capabilities and lack of experience will get you. the learning process should be more thurough, and the n test is a joke. if they adjusted that and gave proper training and a way more in depth L stage with more training and programs required to get your lisence. i garuntee you the N stage would be completly unnecesary. but the bottom line is its revenue for the government. and beaurocratic nonsense is more important then actually solving the problem :ohboy:

just my oppinion

on a side note, they got those screens for the tests at the DMV it should be mandatory to watch a 10 min video on the screen before the test showing wrecks and accidents and people messed up because of stupid driving, they could film most of it in richmond too :D

skidmark
04-06-2006, 11:21 AM
I agree that GLP is only part of the solution, but there do need to be sanctions in place for when the wrong choices are made.

If you can figure out how to change the attitude successfully, you will have a long and rewarding career ahead of you with ICBC.... :)

mousemaker
04-06-2006, 11:55 AM
on a side note, they got those screens for the tests at the DMV it should be mandatory to watch a 10 min video on the screen before the test showing wrecks and accidents and people messed up because of stupid driving, they could film most of it in richmond too* :D


How long do you think that would stick with the average 16 year old. Come on now. Although yes, Richmond would be the ideal place to film it. :)

79 Z28
04-06-2006, 01:36 PM
I agree that GLP is only part of the solution, but there do need to be sanctions in place for when the wrong choices are made.

If you can figure out how to change the attitude successfully, you will have a long and rewarding career ahead of you with ICBC.... :)
haha yea, unfortunately my morals prevent me from working for crooks :p

allpontiacs
04-06-2006, 05:36 PM
Novice drivers are still novice drivers no matter how many colorful signs go up in the back window. They will still cause accidents and do stupid shit. Life is learning, same with driving. There is literally no way to stop it, other than not giving out licenses anymore, in which case I'm sure public rioting would ensue. Or everybody would just drive without a license.

Jessev
04-06-2006, 05:40 PM
i know ppl that have failed N tests 5 times then passed. somehow i doubt they got any better at driving. tests SHOULD be harder cuz it scares the shit outta me to know that almost everyone i know is allowed to drive. id say that maybe half deserve/ are capable enough to have a licence.

MonkeyWrench
04-08-2006, 06:55 PM
so a fail to display N don't carry any points anymore?

skidmark
04-08-2006, 07:34 PM
That all depends on the officer involved. If they choose to use 25(15), yes, you get 3 points on conviction. If they use 30.13 then there are no points.

MonkeyWrench
04-08-2006, 07:35 PM
yea i got a 30.13